KaptanSLOW wrote:
"I look at it like this though, if you really have bigger ambitions than just being a child support ATM,"


SargeSillpete and his whole family is the Mercedes ATM...

They spend more money to SUPPORT Mercedes and BMW and other overpriced trash.

So really every overpriced car they buy they ARE paying child support....sending the dealerships kids through college.

Why you think the cars cost so much?

This is what IDIOTS like SaergeSillyPete DROOL over and can't WAIT to go run GIVE the white man HIS MONEY.

http://www.motortrend.com/new_cars/04/mercedes_benz/s_class/

http://www.motortrend.com/new_cars/04/mercedes_benz/sls_amg/

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"As I said a long time ago, when black men had the opportunities (opportunities in lucrative blue collar positions in conjunction with the educated black men in high paid white collar positions...we didn't build shit) I am speaking of the times after the civil rights era. Hell yes, there was a major decline in manufacturing but it didn't happen overnight.

At the very least, the local businesses that operate in black communities nationwide could have been owned and operated by us. None of us have major stories of how we were "stopped" (collectively) when those opportunities were present. A lot of us were stopped by our own stupidity."

@Solo

I wish you would lay off of the half truths. Blacks have and still do build. How else do you explain the NBA, NFL, NCAA, Hair and Nail industry....etc etc. We build like a motherfucker. Always have. The biggest difference is that, now, we don't build for us. We build for "them" in the hopes that they will accept us. Which tends to invalidate the "work within the system" argument that you and preach espouse.

Even with all that in mind if we dealt with outsiders just a tad bit differently we would fare better. Case in point, if sisters told asians that they would no longer buy those cheap ass weaves nor get their nails done unless asians made "donations" to local schools, or so that we could build trade schools, that would be HUGE! But again, we don't exercise what clout we have because we have the white daddy syndrome that Tariq Nasheed has talked about.

At the end of the day it's all about manipulation. We have to manipulate outsiders to do our bidding. But we are far too concerned with doing the bidding of others.

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"There is no need for a man to step into a situation with a woman who makes more money than he does. You and I both know that. Regardless of the God Damned system."

@Solo
What we know and what's reality are two entirely different things. Due to the fact that the economy is in the toilet, women will have to learn to tow the line, if needed.
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"If it is "that" fucked up, then don't get involved with anyone. Fuck human nature and all."

@Solo
Realism vs Idealism. What do you think is going on?
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"Don't sit here and act as though you need to have total political power in order to maintain some "control" over the four areas that I mentioned when it comes to personal romantic relationships."

@Solo

Are you really that blind to how politics, laws, etc play a roll in the relationship dynamic or are you really that egotistical?
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"If, you would like to "destroy" the system...great idea. Why not focus on that instead of bringing more kids into the world(you know, shit that complicates matters)

Why not stay the fuck out of relationships altogether if that is what you (not you per se) want to do? Stay out until you get the system overthrown. How YOU go about doing that has yet to be stated.

Other than the overwelmingly stupid ass idea of using the lower class of black people and getting them to BREED "more than they already are" to the point of overloading the "family court"/child support system to get it to crash. Ironically, this has nothing to do with job creation or other economic opportunities being created.

Let me clarify that..."

@Solo

Preaching to the choir dude. I have never been a proponent of having children just cuz it's sunday. And in reference to seeking jobs from white men.....there are other alternatives. But too many of us are unwilling to take that step.

It goes back to what I said to that fool SSJ about the ncaa tourney having made 4 billion for whites but the majority of players are Black. We have "some" leverage but we don't make use of it. Instead we pull a Sharpton and want to beg for jobs.
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"I am the first to agree with you that a lot of black men "might" have been able to pool some of their wage-slave labor money made from "the whites" if they had not been slammed with child support. I look at it like this though, if you really have bigger ambitions than just being a child support ATM, then the idea of birth control needs to be at the top of your list of priorities when it comes to your indiscriminate fucking...it's that simple.

Hell no, as a man who is the product of a situation where adequate provisions fell into a "battle" between who was doing MORE, I don't support you or anyone else's idea of men being able to opt out of child support. I think the system needs some definite reform, but this bullshit about being able to say "fuck your kid" cause you didn't want them...A JOKE!


Any man who wants to "build" anything economically is going to need one of these jobs from "the whites" at this time.

What jobs from "the whites" Kap?

Any "decent" paying occupation you can find with or without a degree. You are going to have to stack your money and live as low key as possible in order to accomplish this. If you want to fuck a bunch of chicks, you have to make sure YOU take care of the birth control on your end. It's that simple."

@Solo

If you want to make an omelette you have to break some eggs. Women have the political strength in this society. Well, and fags. And I don't see them lobbying for family law nor child support reforms now or ever. So, going back to what LF said, when a system is not working and refuses to change you have to destroy it and start again. That has always been a fundamental part of society. Not hoping that things change. Or putting your head in the sand.
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"You have stated 5thci, that even you believe that the only way we are going to be able to gain anything is either with the "help" of "the whites" or we are going to need money from "the whites".

I doubt that you are planning on moving out of the country(perhaps you are, I don't know) but, if we are going to stay here in this country, then ALL systems will be unfair. We don't have the numbers to overthrow the system."

@Solo

That I did. As I understand that you have to use an enemy against itself. It's just what whites have done to us. Could you ever fathom a reality where Black women would blame us for Slavery? Or for the fact that we are not a "true" economic power on par with whites? When it was "the whites" who enslaved our ancestors, enslaved us with debt and these draconian laws (Patriot act anyone) And have pushed this blame the victim rhetoric. It's time we start using the same forms of mental combat.
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KaptanSLOW wrote:
"don't fuckin' love each other and don't need a kid between them."


You talking about LOVE? Where did you learn ANYTHING about love N*GGA???

You ain't seen or participated in ANYTHING that resembles LOVE of another human being.

Now what you LOVE is MONEY.

Get the F*CK outta here!

#2. "I think in terms of the other men operating in our communities. They aren't in charge of the system either. They operate within the system that is still controlled by the dominant white society."

How many times I have to tell YOU? They didn't love you when you stepped off they boat 400 years ago.

Of COURSE they would rather see ANY other race on TOP of your ass.

N8ggas in this "system" is used to fill JAILS. You think Kwame' Kilpatrick was the first corrupt DETROIT MAYOR?

How many white mayors went to JAIL and got DOGGED like they did to him?

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KaptanSLOW wrote:

"Here's a question, since this problem of role reversal is the result of the system, why try to pass the role reversed "situations/relationships-marriages" as the "working" model?"

Here's an answer...It's N*GGAs like you and SargeSILLYPete that gives it's SYSTEM it's POWER...and then like the KNUCKLEHEADS you are...COMPLAIN.

Whining like B*TCHES..."If we throw out the "system" what will we replace it with?"

Sooooo... when white folks what to CHANGE the system...THEY DO.

If they got TOO many N*GGAs in one DISTRICT, what do they do?
they re-draw the district lines.

When they feel this country is GOING in the toilet....what do they do...

They ELECT a BLACK MAN. And BLAME it on HIM.

After a "system" of NEVER electing a BLACK Man.

If they want MORE POWER over N*GGAs what do they do?

They make the Patriot act.
When you fly on a plane hasn't the SYSTEM CHANGED?


I could go on but you DUMB N*GGAs love this "system" and It's MONEY TOO MUCH.

Y'all will never dismantle Massa's "system"

Y'all N*GGAs are DUMB. And BOOT LICKIN' NEGROES.

And they KNOW it.

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My quote earlier

"I have experience with living in a community of people of reversed role households.



I have experience in a community with people trying to pass reversed role relationships as patriarchal homes.



I have experience in a community where women have the final say in their homes and not due to courts but due the husband lacking funds and/or inexperience with his funds once he obtains them."





Kap continues...

Ya...I said it right the first time.

Here's a question, since this problem of role reversal is the result of the system, why try to pass the role reversed "situations/relationships-marriages" as the "working" model?

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5thci,



There is no need for a man to step into a situation with a woman who makes more money than he does. You and I both know that. Regardless of the God Damned system.

If it is "that" fucked up, then don't get involved with anyone. Fuck human nature and all.

Don't sit here and act as though you need to have total political power in order to maintain some "control" over the four areas that I mentioned when it comes to personal romantic relationships.

If you can't do it, then don't involve yourself in a relationship...it's pretty damned simple if you asked me.



If, you would like to "destroy" the system...great idea. Why not focus on that instead of bringing more kids into the world(you know, shit that complicates matters)

Why not stay the fuck out of relationships altogether if that is what you (not you per se) want to do? Stay out until you get the system overthrown. How YOU go about doing that has yet to be stated.

Other than the overwelmingly stupid ass idea of using the lower class of black people and getting them to BREED "more than they already are" to the point of overloading the "family court"/child support system to get it to crash. Ironically, this has nothing to do with job creation or other economic opportunities being created.

Let me clarify that...

Any man who wants to "build" anything economically is going to need one of these jobs from "the whites" at this time.

What jobs from "the whites" Kap?

Any "decent" paying occupation you can find with or without a degree. You are going to have to stack your money and live as low key as possible in order to accomplish this. If you want to fuck a bunch of chicks, you have to make sure YOU take care of the birth control on your end. It's that simple.

I am the first to agree with you that a lot of black men "might" have been able to pool some of their wage-slave labor money made from "the whites" if they had not been slammed with child support. I look at it like this though, if you really have bigger ambitions than just being a child support ATM, then the idea of birth control needs to be at the top of your list of priorities when it comes to your indiscriminate fucking...it's that simple.

Hell no, as a man who is the product of a situation where adequate provisions fell into a "battle" between who was doing MORE, I don't support you or anyone else's idea of men being able to opt out of child support. I think the system needs some definite reform, but this bullshit about being able to say "fuck your kid" cause you didn't want them...A JOKE!

What about the fact that women can opt out?

SO THE FUCK WHAT!! That is an unfortunate reality of biology. Realizing the current system, I would advise us to be very fuckin' careful on our end. The last thing I want to do is negotiate with a bubbleheaded chick about whether or not a child should come into the world considering there are inadequate resources or the fact that maybe the two people just don't fuckin' love each other and don't need a kid between them.



You have stated 5thci, that even you believe that the only way we are going to be able to gain anything is either with the "help" of "the whites" or we are going to need money from "the whites".

I doubt that you are planning on moving out of the country(perhaps you are, I don't know) but, if we are going to stay here in this country, then ALL systems will be unfair. We don't have the numbers to overthrow the system.



As I said a long time ago, when black men had the opportunities (opportunities in lucrative blue collar positions in conjunction with the educated black men in high paid white collar positions...we didn't build shit) I am speaking of the times after the civil rights era. Hell yes, there was a major decline in manufacturing but it didn't happen overnight.

At the very least, the local businesses that operate in black communities nationwide could have been owned and operated by us. None of us have major stories of how we were "stopped" (collectively) when those opportunities were present. A lot of us were stopped by our own stupidity.



So, to answer your question about how you use the system to your benefit...

I think in terms of the other men operating in our communities. They aren't in charge of the system either. They operate within the system that is still controlled by the dominant white society.

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Stepping away from the topic at hand.

For those who are into (or on the fence) about comic book movies, check out the Avengers. It's very good. Well, minus the music. And stay after the credits start rolling.


Now....Solo. I'm not Prof. X. As such, if you have a hair up your ass about something I typed then highlight it. Otherwise, spare me the back and forth.

Before I type out another damn book I'm going to piggyback off of something LF9 stated.

"See...the SYSTEM in place does NOT have a place of AUTHORITY for YOU...and what do you and the IDIOT Sargewp do?

YOU and him want to KEEP this system and "work" with it."

Now preach has stated before that he doesn't think that Blacks have explored all options (to success) in this system. You have alluded to the same. So, how, exactly, are we to use the "system" to our benefit? especially, when we have seen so many brothers and sisters fall because of it.

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5thsci

"Hey solo.....you really need to get over the habit of looking for slights when there are none.



This is not about personal attacks so much as a disagreement with regard to certain points."



Kap's response

I welcome your disagreements 5thci, I am just a little blown away at YOU having to insult. Relax, that's the last time I will mention it where you are concerned.



Carry on...

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Sherri Shepherd

http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/video/sherri-shepherd-talks-abortion-guilt-shame-12087428

So I guess the N*GGAs can credit their "accounts" they didn't get caught up, RIGHT?

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